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If the seats were bought by Libera family, that's about 100 seats bought. Does that sound about right for a group of 20 to 30 boys? Anyway, perhaps it's right that the families of the Libera community get a concert that's mostly their own. The families make sacrifices for the group also.

TullyBascombe wrote: ↑<span title="Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:43 am">10 months ago</span> If the seats were bought by Libera family, that's about 100 seats bought. Does that sound about right for a group of 20 to 30 boys? Anyway, perhaps it's right that the families of the Libera community get a concert that's mostly their own. The families make sacrifices for the group also.

100 seats for 30 boys isn't unreasonable. If just both parents attend for each boy, that's 60 seats already. The number only increases once you factor in grandparents, siblings, and other family members. This averages to about 3 guests per boy, a low figure if you ask me.

In fact, we should be wondering why they didn't scoop up far more seats than that.

Even if one assumes that the first rows are filled by relatives, the question arises whether these
seats were acquired through regular channels (Patron or Friend of SJSS) or through Libera itself.
In any case, it is pointless to philosophize about it, the seats did not end up on general sale.

I am wondering where the assumption that the seats have been taken by family members comes from. Is there someone with inside information on this forum?

To me it looks like the seats where regularly bought up by patron members of SJSS during the presale phase before the general sale commenced. Of course it sounds reasonable to assume that some of the parents could be patron members themselves, but I doubt that SJSS would give them any rebates. They probably had to pay the 150 GBP for the chance to buy two tickets or 300 GBP for the chance to buy four, if they could afford it. If anyone has information to the contrary, please correct me if I‘m wrong as I don‘t have any inside information myself and couldn’t find any statement by Libera on their website either that would imply anything in this regard.

I agree that the only thing that is certain right now is that the tickets didn‘t end up on general sale. Right now I am waiting if a time will be announced at which the tickets for the Arundel concert will go on sale.

Sad to say I’ve been out of the loop and missed this one. I would have had to choose anyway as I can’t afford to attend both SJSS and Arundel (money/timewise). Hopefully I’ll be able to attend the Arundel concert. How has everyone done on getting a (good) seat?

SingForEver wrote: ↑<span title="Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:33 pm">10 months ago</span>
To me it looks like the seats where regularly bought up by patron members of SJSS during the presale phase before the general sale commenced. Of course it sounds reasonable to assume that some of the parents could be patron members themselves, but I doubt that SJSS would give them any rebates. They probably had to pay the 150 GBP for the chance to buy two tickets or 300 GBP for the chance to buy four, if they could afford it.

Patrons & friends of St John's don't have a limit on the number of tickets they can purchase. I think you are confusing the number of free tickets they get for lunchtime concerts.

The supposition that parents have bought many of the tickets is because for past concerts, Patrons didn't seem that interested in buying out the show. Logic says that for such numbers to sell so quickly that parents #may# have clubbed together to buy a patronship or two so they could preempt the public ticket sale bun fight and get decent seats.

Yorkie wrote: ↑<span title="Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:44 pm">10 months ago</span>

SingForEver wrote: ↑<span title="Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:33 pm">10 months ago</span>
To me it looks like the seats where regularly bought up by patron members of SJSS during the presale phase before the general sale commenced. Of course it sounds reasonable to assume that some of the parents could be patron members themselves, but I doubt that SJSS would give them any rebates. They probably had to pay the 150 GBP for the chance to buy two tickets or 300 GBP for the chance to buy four, if they could afford it.

Patrons & friends of St John's don't have a limit on the number of tickets they can purchase. I think you are confusing the number of free tickets they get for lunchtime concerts.

The supposition that parents have bought many of the tickets is because for past concerts, Patrons didn't seem that interested in buying out the show. Logic says that for such numbers to sell so quickly that parents #may# have clubbed together to buy a patronship or two so they could preempt the public ticket sale bun fight and get decent seats.

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It is not explicitly listed, but I have my doubts that a friend or patron can purchase more than two tickets
when only two tickets mentioned at a time.

Still no further information about tomorrow's ticket sale for Arundel? What is their "online box office", TicketSource?

LordG wrote: ↑<span title="Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:56 pm">10 months ago</span>
It is not explicitly listed, but I have my doubts that a friend or patron can purchase more than two tickets
when only two tickets mentioned at a time.

Doubt away, the evidence says otherwise.

Yorkie wrote: ↑<span title="Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:44 pm">10 months ago</span> Patrons & friends of St John's don't have a limit on the number of tickets they can purchase. I think you are confusing the number of free tickets they get for lunchtime concerts.

The supposition that parents have bought many of the tickets is because for past concerts, Patrons didn't seem that interested in buying out the show. Logic says that for such numbers to sell so quickly that parents #may# have clubbed together to buy a patronship or two so they could preempt the public ticket sale bun fight and get decent seats.

Thanks for explaining the reasoning. If there really is no limit on the number of tickets, that could indeed be an explanation, as it sounds logical that the parents would organize a few patrons among them who would buy tickets for everyone interested. It‘s difficult to know for certain, but it might well be the case.

The patron system might work well for the parents in that scenario, unfortunately it doesn‘t work well if you are not close friends with a large circle of people interested in Libera and would just like to buy a ticket or two. But maybe the idea behind it really is that the London concert is mainly for the parents and patrons and the Arundel concert is mainly for the fans and the general public.

Another thought: Perhaps there will be more UK concerts next year which could also make it easier for their British and European fans to get tickets for nice seats.

SingForEver wrote: ↑<span title="Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:21 pm">10 months ago</span>
Thanks for explaining the reasoning. If there really is no limit on the number of tickets, that could indeed be an explanation, as it sounds logical that the parents would organize a few patrons among them who would buy tickets for everyone interested. It‘s difficult to know for certain, but it might well be the case.

The patron system might work well for the parents in that scenario, unfortunately it doesn‘t work well if you are not close friends with a large circle of people interested in Libera and would just like to buy a ticket or two. But maybe the idea behind it really is that the London concert is mainly for the parents and patrons and the Arundel concert is mainly for the fans and the general public.

Another thought: Perhaps there will be more UK concerts next year which could also make it easier for their British and European fans to get tickets for nice seats.

I know you can buy more than two tickets because I have previously bought 6 myself and there was no upper limit on tickets given to me when I phoned the box office to book them.

Libera are unusual in that they have a somewhat fanatical fan base which really isn't anything like that which you get with other choirs or classical music artists. As a general rule of thumb classical musical goers would prefer to sit further back to get the full sound blend. With Libera a premium is placed on being as near to the stage as possible (both in fan seating preference and the ticket pricing), which might be because they use amplification and so that is less necessary although I'm told the sound is best nearer the mixing board.

So, we have a situation where we have a very a large group of boys (30+) meaning that we have twice as many parents and family members wanting to attend than for a 'normal' UK choir + an enthusiastic fan base and they all want to be able to see the group as close up as possible. When they have given parents preferential booking there has been some grumbling among fans, when they don't the parents/family can get squeezed out by the fan base. It is near impossible to please both
St John's SS is relatively unique being that they their offer patrons and friends preferential booking. Normally that won't be an issue because people will be buying two tickets or maybe four for their other events but Libera isn't a normal event.

More than two UK concerts tends to only happen when they are not invited overseas to tour in the summer. The problem with more than two concerts is attendance figures can make it financially difficult. Last year at Brighton and Chichester they didn't manage to sell out which can put a strain on finances. The London concerts tend to do best although the venues (apart from Westminster Cathedral) tend to be smaller. So I don't ever expect more than two UK concerts and even if there were, the same scramble for the best seats would see the same issues play out (and yes, I'm as guilty of it as anybody else).

Save the date!

I have 1 Available ticket second row if anybody missed out in that scramble. PM if interested:)

Anyone?

Wow I am so glad Libera gets such full attendance. But also I am very surprised it went so fast ??? Have hundreds of fans got out of covid-hibernation ?

Where were they last summer ?